Remember that hell-blazing “what women should not wear” essay from a few Fridays back? …and the onslaught of article responses? Well, here is the male counterpart. Enjoy your lunch kids.-ed
Men can be a bit thickheaded about style. They stick with one look and kind of go with it, forever, until they get a girlfriend to steer them into the right direction (thankfully, in some other direction opposite of Gap, Banana Republic and J. Crew). Guys, check yourself and make sure you’re not breaking these very obvious style rules:
Backpacks: If you’re a young profesh working in D.C., you’re probably wearing a cheap suit to work, and no $250-special-order Freshjive backpack from Japan will be able to salvage or add street cred to your look. A backpack is a backpack. They just make you look like you’re a n00b on your first job interview. Get a messenger bag if you have that much stuff to carry around.
Denim shorts: I’m not talking about jorts. I’m talking about Nautica bleached denim shorts. I know there are a few guys out there that still wear these. I’ve seen you lurking around Pentagon City Mall. Stop wearing them, they’re offending me.
Not understanding shoelace rules: For skate shoes: loose with thick laces; for sneakers: thin laces, tucked into the tongue; for Converse, tight with thin laces. Save printed shoelaces for junior high.
Shirts with too many tribal designs or skulls on them, rhinestones, or old English fonts (more bluntly speaking, Ed Hardy and Affliction shirts): They’re so Miami circa 2006 (or, Eurotrash circa 2002). And there’s only one way to wear these shirts — with tight black jeans, a bling-bling Hugo Boss belt and the horrible pointy leather boots from Aldo. Ugh.
Plaid “short”-sleeved button down shirts that have sleeves that go down to your elbows: You know what I’m talking about. It’s kind of like a chollo shirt crossed with a Tommy Bahama shirt. It really dates your wardrobe. When girls see you in these shirts, they think “Did his mom buy that shirt for him for Christmas at JC Penney’s? In 1999?” Yeah. She did, didn’t she.
Those stupid po’boy hats: It always sends an outfit one step too far. Looks great on the Heatherettes. But maybe not so much on you.
Bell-shaped sideburns: Disgusting.
Any more ideas?
sweaters from gap and BR are fine in my book.
November 25, 2008 at 12:17 pmThis post is so laughably not insightful.
November 25, 2008 at 12:27 pmdoes anyone actually do these things?
November 25, 2008 at 12:40 pmI hate to pile on the negativity but this is a just a list of things that are obviously kinda uncool. The lack of detail or jokes plus your dig at the mall stores that actually have some decent cloths for adults makes this a poor effort, much less witty than the last one.
November 25, 2008 at 12:46 pmI did messenger bags for years, recently converted to a backpack, soooooo much better.
a) even weight distro
b) no strap across front to cover ironic t-shirt
c) doesn’t bounce around as much when dancing at sparks-infused indie dj nights
d) don’t have to pull it over head possibly messing up perfect hair
boygeorge,
I’m wearing jean shorts in the office right now.
November 25, 2008 at 12:50 pmi love the GAP.
having said that I sort of do hate shorts on men AND man-tanks and pleated pants and anything that does not fit and ironic t-shirts (unless they’re made of crushed velvet) and skull caps during the summer and crewnecks without shirts underneath and too short of sleeves on anything (unless you do the whole-shirt sleeve a little too long, jacket sleeve a little too shrunken look), and keffiyah scarves and white socks and ….and…i don’t know there is too much.
more men should however wear: navy peacoats and nicely fitted suits and boots and cufflinks. I also really enjoy argyle socks. Argyle socks are the most amazing thing ever.
November 25, 2008 at 12:54 pmUnderwear as shirts. Hate it.
If you want to wear a wfie-beater (who the eff came up with that?), get a nice one. Not a Hanes 3-pack.
backpacks just don’t look right with a suit. better to use over the shoulder bag, a briefcase, or one a rollable briefcase if you have that much shit to carry.
November 25, 2008 at 1:14 pmSeriously, the briefcases are actually pretty amazing too.
Peter once showed up from work with an old-school one at the Tune-Inn and Libby, Becca and I almost lost it.
Amen on the bell shaped sideburns. Looks like you got a bikini wax on your face.
November 25, 2008 at 1:22 pmBanana has great suits, don’t kid yourself. And shorts are an obviously pansy move at any time of year. Any kind of sculpted facial hair screams “high maintenance”. Hats were classy, but in this day and age if you wear a hat, you’re the Hat Guy (sorry Jeff.) And regarding shoelaces: just don’t wear tennis shoes. Finally: anybody who pays a bunch of money for a t-shirt with something just printed on it is sort of an enigma to me. What’s the point? It’s like walking around with a photoshop file taped to your chest.
November 25, 2008 at 1:36 pmalmost lost it? almost? pretty sure we were not that restrained.
November 25, 2008 at 1:39 pmmalaka, can we do a piece on what guys SHOULD be wearing?
November 25, 2008 at 1:52 pm- pleated pants
- cargo anything
- wearing ties way too long past the belt line
- t-shirts over collared shirts (this was never cool!)
- untucked shirts with ties (especially short-sleeve knits)
- layered polos
- collegiate wear despite the fact you graduated ages ago (and besides, you HATED college)
- sagged skinny jeans.
- graphic tees under suit jackets.
- cowboy boots and hats (however, western shirts are dope, and bolo ties, when done correctly, are pretty fucking vicious)
i think backpacks are pretty acceptable for bike commuters. from my experience messenger bags — aside from being uncomfortable — tend to swing around, and getting one of those chrome bags looks even more unprofessional. jack spade and l.l. bean make pretty muted backpacks that would be fine for the ride to work.
or if you’re so inclined, you could just do the “briefcase on the rear-rack” steelo.
November 25, 2008 at 1:52 pmIsn’t this all kind of relative? Guys can pull off most looks as long as they feel it represents them and (if it even matters) there are women who dig them for it. I think cute California-surfer guys can pull off shorts in a major way. I would personally run for the hills if I saw a guy in argyle socks or a navy peacoat, but to each their own. I’ll stick with the guys in jeans and t-shirts.
and shoelace rules? REALLY?? Why not just tie your shoes with the laces they came with?
November 25, 2008 at 1:53 pmno shorts in the summer whilst bike riding?? wtf? shorts were not designed exclusively for looks, you know. the function is… umm… keeping cool, maybe?
i agree with jason about printed shirts (not the funny ones, the ones with designs). stupid.
i only wear a backpack when riding a horse. and my bike.
oh dear god. bell-shaped sideburns?! do people really still wear those? i mean i see chops all the time (they look stupid too), but well…
i agree with jason about “sculpted facial hair” – i do like boys with chronic five o’clock shadow, though.
and cale, messenger bags can distribute weight evenly, if worn correctly. most people don’t though. it should actually be on your back and not hanging by your hip, so many people make that mistake and it looks ridiculous. i’m pretty anal about it, if i’m sitting next to someone on the bus and i see this mistake i will ask if i can fix it for them. or those people that don’t wear it across the chest but just let it hang, that’s wrong too.
backpacks can also cause back issues if they’re worn too low. but then again, i’ll have to agree with malaka, they’re a no, unless you’re going hiking or to class.
i hate wife-beaters, but i love undershirts by themselves.
amen to the cuff-links. mmm…
November 25, 2008 at 1:58 pmReally people, it has nothing to do with where you buy your clothes. It is all about how you wear them. Mixing carefully selected pieces from Target with Nom de guerre and Gap can make you look totally sharp. It is all about mixing the right things and wearing them with the right cut, fit and combination. I feel that a guy who can look great in an outfit from Target rather than guy who is wearing a Tom Ford suit in the wrong fit for his body gains more respect in my book.
November 25, 2008 at 2:02 pmalso-men should not wear jewelry.
they should wear watches.
Jerry Seinfeld Gym Sneakers with Suits:
If you don’t know how to buy comfortable dress shoes right now, you probably shouldn’t be wearing a suit.
Rolling suitcases durign the workday:
What on earth are you carrying in there that you NEED to have at all times? For real son, leave some of that mess at the office OR at the house.
Fauxhawk aka the David Beckham (especially on Black folk with nappy hair):
FACT During the first year of the punk explosion in the UK, there were very few mohawks. Mohawks didn’t really take off until later on. By wearing your hair in a faux-hawk, you are basically saying “Not only am I an unoriginal bastard, I’m too much of a wimp to go whole hog with this idea.”
Von Dutch:
I know that this company has faded out of style, but if you’re rockin’ their gear in 2008, you deserve to get knocked out.
Sweatpants:
Unless you’re exercising, you should not be wearing exercise gear.
Throwback Jerseys:
Again, it’s 2008. If you’re spending hundreds of dollars on a jersey for a wack-ass time in the time of economic crisis, you need to get your head examined.
Leather Pants:
Unless your name is Slash, you should not be wearing leather pants.
Improperly tied scarves:
Don’t be walkin’ around with that thing looking like a feather boa. Tuck that joint into your coat.
“Ironic” Mustaches:
Don’t rock a mustache (or any facial hair) unless you know it looks good. I know irony dominates hipster humor, but if you’re walkin’ around with a ratty looking mustache, chinstrap or goatee, you will be laughed at. No self-respecting object of your affection will react kindly if you ball up lookin’ like John Holmes. There’s a reason why you got that Mach 3 in the mail on your 18th birthday.
Blue dress shirt @ the bar or club:
Every man has a few blue dress shirts in his closet. But please do not wear them to the club or bar. It is not junior year anymore.
Jian
Re: Cowboy boots and hats
Shouldn’t there be an exit clause for guys from Texas?
smitty, true, i think everyone agrees.
ohhh…jewelry. it’s strange when they guys you’re around have more jewelry on than you. i very rarely wear more than a necklace (but that’s just because i’m always messing with it and i always lose rings, though i like them a lot).
November 25, 2008 at 2:14 pmpersonally, I would LOVE to see a few images of the style that this BOOB has who wrote the article.
November 25, 2008 at 2:17 pm“Fauxhawk aka the David Beckham (especially on Black folk with nappy hair)”
whatever. caron butler rocks it. tough juice with a fauxhawk, son.
November 25, 2008 at 2:20 pmRe: Men wearing jewelry.
“If your shit isn’t prince’s cut. If it’s not blingin’ like the disco ball, leave that mess at home.”
-Ghostface Killah
who cares if a style is “dated”. If you can make it work, then it is all a part of your personal style. Just to try to force it to work.
November 25, 2008 at 2:26 pmcut off shorts in the summer are excusable. but if you have a hemmed pair that you went shopping for, shame on you.
i’m okay with “man capris” for the summer also.
if you’re riding a bike just roll up your pant leg.
November 25, 2008 at 2:27 pmThe only taste you have, eddie, is in your mouth.
The comments by others, on the other hand, betray impeccable sense of style.
November 25, 2008 at 2:32 pmcut off shorts are horrifying.
November 25, 2008 at 2:32 pmnow all I feel like doing is going shopping. Anyone up for playing hooky from work?
November 25, 2008 at 2:34 pmSmitty
You can’t force anything. Style should natural and flow effortlessly.
November 25, 2008 at 2:36 pmI think that one should keep one’s own counsel when it comes to matters of taste.
That being said, when Jason Bond speaks, I listen. That boy has one powerful sense of style.
And no need to put “Ironic” in quotation marks. Unless you were doing so ironically.
November 25, 2008 at 2:44 pmSomeone should tell Pedro that those frilly, knee-length pantaloons are so passe and generally unbecoming.
November 25, 2008 at 2:49 pm@Jason
Banana Republic has decent suits but the prices are absurd. and for what’s basically Gap++. between shopping there and an outlet store w/ Calvin Klein joints ….?
nm
November 25, 2008 at 2:52 pmcut off shorts aren’t horrible, but they’re not wonderful, they’re the better of the two evils. it’s like guys in deep v-necks, at least they’re not wearing a tank.
of course you can blame richmond for my acceptance of cut-off shorts. when i first got here, everyone was wearing them.
patrick, i agree. if someone is a t-shirt and jeans type of person, there’s no need for them to try and pull off something else. you either have it or you don’t. ann wintour agrees.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEkmKyBzDOE
too bad men’s vogue is no longer.
November 25, 2008 at 2:53 pmsee: mystery from mtv’s the pick-up artist.
he should be killed, stuffed and mounted at the national history museum as a lesson on how to fail at getting any nice-nice from the ladies (or the mens).
November 25, 2008 at 2:54 pmamen, cat.
the worst thing about vh1’s the pick up artist is how mystery encourages his disciples to wear the most ridiculous clothes and accesories. stupid boas, unnecessary piercings, gawdy jackets and shoes. ugh, puke-a-hantas.
mystery and co. are convinced that wearing outrageous outfits and being demeaning towards women = game. it’s really a shame that there are men out there who really believe in him.
“frilly, knee-length pantaloons”
Wat? I don’t wear those. I abjure frilly in all it’s forms.
Oh and look who came to visit me today…
http://images.kipin.net/images_files/1227643644.jpg
November 25, 2008 at 3:08 pmPatrick: no. unless you can ride a fucking horse or have to wake up at 5 a.m. to do farm chores.
but even then you should probably take your sartorial cues from daniel day-lewis in “there will be blood” or paul newman & robert redford in “butch cassidy & the sundance kid.”
November 25, 2008 at 3:10 pmPatrick.. thanks for the correction. I can’t type today. I meant to say …”just DON’T try to force it to work.”
November 25, 2008 at 3:12 pmand for the record, j. crew doesn’t belong on that list all, they’ve been doing menswear proper for years, as evidenced by their recently-opened men’s shop in tribeca, which was converted from a bar.
November 25, 2008 at 3:13 pmOk now to shake things up a bit:
Ladies and gentlemen – if a guy a approaches you with good game, but a lammmmmmmmme outfit, will you let it slide? or is it 100% necessary that he look like someone whose picture was on the sartorialist?
November 25, 2008 at 3:22 pm@cat & Patrick: I agree with you guys but the Pickup Artist is quite possibly the funniest show on TV.
November 25, 2008 at 3:23 pmi don’t think there’s a single person on earth who wears denim shorts because he thinks they’re stylish. guys wear them cause they’re shorts and they’re in the closet, and anyone wearing them is either married and doesn’t give a fuck or perfectly aware of the fact he’s not getting laid. cargo shorts, on the other hand, should be eradicated.
also, i hate those cheap generic black leather shoes 20ish guys wear to the bar with baggy jeans and stripped button downs. i understand that in America it’s expected that you wear leather shoes “out,” but an appropriate pair of even sneakers look so much better than than cheap non-polished crap so many guys wear out
November 25, 2008 at 3:24 pm@fitsum: I would never argue with a man offering good tips on getting well-built suits for cheap – I generally think all suits are overpriced. Banana def. runs at the top of the mid-range suit price, but I find them to be really well made, if you care about it (an honest “if”.) The new ones run a more English fit, tight in the middle and kind of flairing out at the bottom, they make you look like Arnold effing Schwarzenegger and you can probably get away without spending an extra bunch of $$$ getting them cut. Plus, if you have a banana card you often get 25-30% off, which is killer.
Man, I just found this blog the other day it’s amazing:
http://www.englishcut.com/archives/000016.html
Oh: and hit up Filene’s once a week for dress shoes, takes 3-4 trips to hit the good ones. Anything under $100 is usually crap, but the $100-$200 range gets you the good heels and nice leather, they’re really excellent. But you have to have patience.
Plus: no ambiguity on how to wear the laces with dress shoes, which apparently is otherwise a problem.
November 25, 2008 at 3:28 pmPatrick: the look has to be there. i have yet to meet a guy who doesn’t dress well who has “game.” though i’ve met plenty that think they do.
“also, i hate those cheap generic black leather shoes 20ish guys wear to the bar with baggy jeans and stripped button downs. i understand that in America it’s expected that you wear leather shoes “out,” but an appropriate pair of even sneakers look so much better than than cheap non-polished crap so many guys wear out.”
AHH!!!!!!!!!!!
my old boss used to wear these awful sketchers “dress” shoes.
sketchers are the absolute worst shoes ever.
November 25, 2008 at 3:35 pmBennetton has some of the best cut suits for men. classic, well fitted with a bit of an edge.
November 25, 2008 at 3:45 pmYou should listen to your leader.
Svetlana seems to really know what she is talking about.
November 25, 2008 at 3:48 pm…and NO ONE mentions flip flops?
Vile.
November 25, 2008 at 3:58 pmI think Joel McHale has labeled those Ed Hardy/Affliction shirts as “douche-capes.”
November 25, 2008 at 4:00 pmi think michael has made the case against flipflops enough for the rest of us.
November 25, 2008 at 4:02 pmCan we start another flip flops banned at the Cat thread?
November 25, 2008 at 4:03 pmAll these places you people are mentioning have great suits, but none of them are small enough for me. If I buy the smallest suit jacket available I still have to get it altered before I can wear it. The pants though? Not a chance. You simply can’t alter them enough to fit my abnormally skilly waist/legs. I can get away with girl jeans but it’s not like you can buy girl non-jeans and have it work. People are like “dude, why are you wearing jeans to a wedding” and it’s like, “I have to, they don’t make mens suits in my size, sorry”. Can anyone help me? Please?
November 25, 2008 at 4:09 pmlate, but anyway: the pick up artist is HILARIOUS. but i still want to burn mystery’s goggles. where the fuck are the ski slopes, mystery?
oh, and this: http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Articles/20071106/425.mystery.copperfield.110607.jpg (i think he’s replaced the goggles with some binocs in that one)
November 25, 2008 at 4:13 pmCale
I think it’s time for you to take a trip to Hong Kong
November 25, 2008 at 4:13 pmCale I officially give you permission to wear women’s suits. Yr welcome.
November 25, 2008 at 4:17 pmPatrick,
I was thinking Cale do the same thing. I have a couple friends who got excellent custom suits in Thailand, so whenever they want a new one, they send a request to the tailor, who keeps measurements on file.
November 25, 2008 at 4:18 pmDid PK just quote Ghost Face Killa (excuse me if I have the spelling wrong)? I’m just trying to get my bearings straight.
November 25, 2008 at 4:23 pmI own women’s suits. They just don’t look right.
I’ve done a lot of shopping in Asia, def a great way to go, but I can’t make it over there on a regular basis… and even then it’s hard to find pants that fit me. Yes, I’m that skinny.
Does anyone know a specific asian tailor web resouce I can check out? Spending a lot of money on clothing online scares me though…
November 25, 2008 at 4:28 pmWhat not to wear, winter edition:
http://www.brightestyoungthings.com/photo-posts/photos-your-winter-in-durkl/
November 25, 2008 at 4:30 pmcale, there are worse problems you could have. i like alan’s suggestion, though you could probably find someone here to make you a custom suit, but it would probably cost a lot more.
November 25, 2008 at 4:32 pmanother option would be to gain weight. though, you’re probably one of those people that has tried.
November 25, 2008 at 4:33 pmLet’s be realistic—
Flip flops and shorts are sexy if worn by someone who is sailing a boat; its not city appropriate but they shouldn’t be eliminated from a man’s wardrobe ever. The sandals should be made with broadcloth and leather and the shorts should fall above the knee and rest slightly above the hips.
Secondly, a man should wear a beautiful expensive watch worth more than he will ever spend on any other thing he puts on his body. People see your watch every day; it should reflect who you are perfectly. As a caveat, your cuff links should never clash with your watch— why put them on at all then?
Thirdly, you should have a wardrobe tailored to your body and somewhat predictable. Nothing is worse than a man who surprises you with his style. It should always be like him strong, predictable and beautifully tailored. Women’s fashion is meant to surprise and allure; yours should be steadfast and particular.
Finally, there is something insanely sexy about a man who knows something about clothes. Don’t learn it all but learn enough to know what you can pair together and what will ruin your wardrobe. Men’s fashion is iconic. Every piece you buy should be something you can wear in 15 years.
November 25, 2008 at 4:40 pm
So I guess I’m the only person that still goes with the “grab whatever clothes are nearest your bed and don’t smell bad” method of choosing clothes. Any t-shirt and pair of pants will do, assuming they don’t look totally ridiculous.
And Cale, go eat a sandwich.
November 25, 2008 at 4:58 pmexcellent advice, Mary.
November 25, 2008 at 4:59 pmcale –
there are a lot of factories in new york and la that would make the suit for you, you’d need to get measured though and potentially have a patternmaker make you a suit pattern first and then send the factory the pattern, measurements, and fabric.
no idea how much that costs.
there are a lot of menswear designers out there that make suits for uberskinny guys (obedient sons, etc). they may cost a lot, but i think one really nice, properly-fit suit is something that every man should invest in.
November 25, 2008 at 5:06 pmMary, I wear either my $40 silver Casio vibrating alarm Futurist watch from Singapore or my $50 white Casio calculator glow in the dark checkboard numbers watch from Tokyo. I feel these suit me perfectly.
Anyway, I think your advice only applies to real men, not those lacking testosterone like myself. Nothing makes me look strong. And so far I’ve done pretty well with the ladies doing the suprising thing.
Rob/Amanda, I eat like a pig all the time. Yesterday I ate pizza for lunch, and meatloaf and a chocolate malt and a Stella for dinner. Today for breakfast I had a donut and a chocolate covered pretzel and for lunch I had a huge vat of greese with some asian shit in it and some Milanos. It doesn’t matter. I still have to buy my underpants and bathing suits in the little boys section of Target. Not joking.
November 25, 2008 at 5:13 pmThanx alyssa – can you elaborate on the etc. please?
November 25, 2008 at 5:15 pmcale, i am your fucking girlfriend. i am an apparel designer. i am also chinese, family from hong kong.
i swear i will work on the mensline after my shoe designs. after.
omg.
November 25, 2008 at 5:23 pmCale: maybe you got a tapeworm, dude.
November 25, 2008 at 5:25 pmit’s a bit tangential, but i have to mention that i have the perfect watch for nerds and whoever wants it can have it for free. i was on a t.v. show called “i want that! tech toys” for hgtv and each spot got to keep their toy. mine was “the nixie watch”. powered by a nickel cadium battery, its display is actual cathode ray tubes and only gives the time in HUGE numbers (the watch is black and slightly bulky) when it is tilted to the proper angle. free for a limited time.
it’s so fash. for dungeon masters.
November 25, 2008 at 5:28 pmCale: find a good tailor, get your measurements. Then go talk to Jason at ThickAsThievesLa.com. He can put you in an amazing, slim-fitting suit for not too much damage.
He also is an asian dude who claims to have run with some sort skinhead scene in the past. So not only does he have small measurements, he seems pretty unfuckwithable.
November 25, 2008 at 5:32 pm@ Rob:
I hear ya. T-shirts and jeans are my staple. I’d like to wear something else, but I have XXL length arms and a M-L neck/chest. It’s a bitch to shop.
Mary if you wear flip flops on a boat you will slip and die.
Boat shoes are appropriate for boats and nothing else, and then they are appropriate for no where else except to and from the boat.
November 25, 2008 at 6:00 pmeddie, i’ll take that watch.
also, how’d you get to be on that show?
November 25, 2008 at 6:04 pmdior homme is known for making superskinny suits. also, comme des garcons, paul smith, raf simmons/jil sander, varvatos, rag and bone, perhaps even marc j…if you are seriously pursuing this, my brother is a men’s suit buyer and i can ask him.
i know they exist. there are skinny boys just like you in well tailored pants and they all live in my building.
November 25, 2008 at 6:18 pmJian – thanx
Thanx Alyssa – I’ve tried a couple of those already – still not skinny enough, but I’ll check out the other ones! I’m smaller than those boys in your building – trust me.
November 25, 2008 at 6:22 pmalyssa: dior homme’s cuts have gotten a bit more forgiving since hedi slimane left, but kris van asche’s designs are pretty decent, although most of that stuff is too high-fashiony for my taste.
there will always be plenty of amazing suits in the luxury market, as houses like corpus and marni can attest, but i don’t think anything can beat the feeling you get from wearing a bespoke suit.
November 25, 2008 at 6:36 pmCale – http://www.garanimals.com/
November 25, 2008 at 6:38 pmMandals! More specifically, Jerusalem Cruisers. Sorry guys, but I don’t like your feet. I think my dad drilled this into my head as a kid complaining about men who wore sandals.
November 25, 2008 at 7:57 pmMichael–
I think you must not know many boaters. Boat shoes, if you wear them, you wear on the boat. Flip flops you wear too and from the boat; then, because you are good enough to, you sail barefoot.
Also, boat shoes are appropriate at a multitude of places that have nothing to do with boats: http://www.stylelist.com/blog/2008/03/03/boat-shoes-cause-its-yacht-club-season/
November 25, 2008 at 8:03 pmMary – one can also find articles stating it’s ok to wear white shoes past Labor Day.
Besides, you said flip flops are sexy if worn by someone sailing a boat. Having been on many a boat, and almost having bought a 57′ Chris Craft yacht to live on a couple of years ago, I know that flip flops are useless on boats. The operative term here being sailing, as in being in the act of sailing. To and from has no relevance.
November 25, 2008 at 8:11 pmI wish sandals looked good on me cause I like to show off my webbed toes. (not kidding)
November 25, 2008 at 8:24 pmalso, Pedro, you made my day.
November 25, 2008 at 8:24 pmchad – the watch is yours. i’ll bring it to you at work the next time i come up. happy hanukwanzmas. and it’s a lithium battery, not nickel cadium.
November 26, 2008 at 12:13 amjurors cookies.tester?Philly skinny rivulet reception
December 18, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Beards. For obvious reasons.
November 25, 2008 at 12:13 pm