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PHOTOS: Blisspop (with Pat Mahoney, The Dance Party, Wallpaper, Chris Burns AND Will Eastman)
June 24, 2008 by Svetlana
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by Sexy Fitsum through the written portion (full set here)
and Dakota Fine below (full set here)
OK, so granted I missed last month’s MSTRKRFT bonanza (which I am repeatedly informed was “one of the more insane things I’ve ever attended” by Dakota) but this is something like our 10th Blisspop and I can safely say (at least in terms of my opinions) that Pat Mahoney is the best thing that ever happened to it. The man was brilliant. I don’t even know what is it that he played (my knowledge of the (relatively) obscure disco circa the ‘76 to ‘82 period is limited, and I will freely and unashamedly admit to it) but it was just beautiful. Every song sounded just like the song I did not know I wanted to hear next and I am pretty sure I even danced (usually, at a BYT-anything party I am too stressed and too tired to even walk let alone dance). So-hats off and cartwheels out to Pat.
But lets start from the beginning.
Wallpaper busted out onto the stage out of nowhere and were seriously the shit. A bejeweled jacked, a praying mantis of a drummer, a cover of “This girl is poison” and everyone in the audience waving their cell phones during “Text me your love so I know it’s for real”.
It was so hilarious and catchy that I crushed a few 18 year olds while I bounded backstage to declare to the band that “we should be BFFs” and I wasn’t really joking.
If they don’t have a restraining order for me out by the time they are back this fall expect all sorts of spreads and listening parties and shrine building in their honor.
The Dance Party did what they do best: shirtless, bandanna wearing pop punk or whatever it is that kids call it these days. I have said this before and I will say it again (and considering that they are the only band that played BOTH our relaunch parties, I don’t think its any secret that our feelings for them are real): TDP is the funnest live show in DC. Period. Full stop. The End.
They even proved amazing enough to bring Wallpaper out for an encore when there was more people there to witness their magic. Gentlemen and scholars.
Then moving us into the blissful disco direction Chris Burns did his disco city thing and it was great, even if I was initially worried how it was all going to go down in a big, and sort of not as down and dirty place as 930 club. I plan not to worry again.
Plus, you know, if someone is going to love having a whole big stage to jump around on, its going to be him.
Will Eastman followed suit sandwiched between the two disco sets with a crowd pleasing dance centric set which included both things that you’ve always wanted to dance to and newer releases like the “melt-my-heart-i-am-so-happy-now” first DC playing I’ve heard of “Heartbreak make me a dancer”.
Then Pat came on and I already said it: he was brilliant.
B.R.I.L.L.I.A.N.T.
I don’t need to say anything else.
Lets just leave it at that.
and now….


I thought the best part about Saturday night was sitting in my truck outside the Black Cat listening to AM 740 from Toronto?
June 24, 2008 at 8:53 amAmanda - thanx, I’ve found that hypercolor doesn’t really work in a hot club so I was continually putting my shirt in the fridge backstage much to the displeasure of those around me.
Also, re: the music being played
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
June 24, 2008 at 9:12 ami meant at 930. the best part overall of saturday night was my strawberry milkshake from ben’s. and i guess joining you in your truck outside the Black Cat listening to AM 740 from Toronto.
and the fact that you were wearing a gogol bordello shirt and a cowboy hat. tres chic.
June 24, 2008 at 9:13 amcale: this was the first blisspop i’ve attended at 930. i wasn’t there for will’s set, though he does a decent job at the cat. chris and pat just weren’t doing it for me. and wallpaper was just absurd. he reminded me of myself at age three walking around with one of those tape player microphone things, not quite a kareoke machine.
June 24, 2008 at 9:19 amGreat shots and a great write up - I don’t know you Amanda, but what did you expect? If you don’t like to hear DJs regardless of what they play your opinion doesn’t carry much weight. Why did you bother coming?
June 24, 2008 at 9:26 ami didn’t say i don’t like dj’s. i did say that this was my first blisspop and that i like bliss at the cat better.
i came to check it out, see if it was any good, and to see one of my favorite local bands play.
since checking it out, i’ve decided it’s not my thing. i’m not asking anyone else to change their opinion or telling any of the DJ’s that they need to change what they play.
i’m simply stating on a public forum that i was disappointed. not to mention the crowd. way too many baseball caps.
June 24, 2008 at 9:41 amamanda, your ears must’ve been hot fiery burning, no shit–as chris burns and i were emphatically saying how ppl like you not to mention a vast majority of dc isn’t ready for this.
thought chris and pat were great.
i love you chris b.
also, pat mahoney says he wants to run away w/ me to the mountain sides :)
tootle pip.
June 24, 2008 at 9:43 amMick from TDC is ridiculously cut.
June 24, 2008 at 9:48 amAmy: the vast majority of DC and I will be sure to miss it in the future. we are so not ready. or simply have different taste that you rank inferior to yours.
i hope you do run away with pat. he has beautiful eyes, despite his overall disgruntled mountain-man appearance.
June 24, 2008 at 9:57 amamy v. No offense, and I didn’t go, but I heard, but isn’t this kind of disco? Not ready for disco? Really? Because I know it’s kind of trendy and sheeple think it’s funny that it’s being played, but trust me, Disco sucks. It always did suck, it always will suck. It is at best a tiny little footnote in the chronicle of American music. It is one of those things, like when you laughed so hard you peed (in public) that are best forgotten.
Of course if the music wasn’t disco-esque then carry on.
Amanda - haven’t you heard? If you say you don’t like something, then people who do like it take grave offense, as though each of your words are stabbing them in their eyeballs, or they’re watching you slap their mother or something.
June 24, 2008 at 10:15 amDC isn’t ready for this? Yeah, I can’t wait until people come around and this underground DJing thing really takes this area by storm.
June 24, 2008 at 10:17 amAmanda, I am sorry you couldn’t get into the music that myself and Pat were djing. Different strokes for different folks.
June 24, 2008 at 10:25 amIs this the same Amanda I ran into at the will-call line?
If so, I weep for that disco-friendly top you were wearing
:(
I really liked the sets that Nada and Tittsworth, and Nouveau Riche kids dropped during their guest appearances. But regardless of the ever-so-slightly lighter-than-usual crowd, this was pound for pound the nicest group of guest dj’s at Blisspop so far. You know what it is with Young Burns; Mahoney was an f’n revelation.
Michael- I don’t think that people who enjoy disco think it’s funny, they just like dance music.
Amanda- neither Chris nor Pat used a computer, I’m not sure what you’re referring to with your comment about macbooks and moogs.
Big ups to everyone who performed on Saturday, it was a great evening.
June 24, 2008 at 11:25 amhi michael, you’re an ass hat.
for clarification…”ready for this” wasn’t a single affiliation to disco. of course disco will never prevail. however, the attempt to reintroduce other music styles LIKE disco is certainly welcomed, ESP in quasi shitholes like dc.
yes, please sign me up for your *shit list*.
and if you ask me why i’m still in dc, i’ll divvy up a list if need be.
love you.
June 24, 2008 at 11:27 amI basically remember most of this. I remember Cale looked wicked cute in his little K-fed hat. And I remember dancing like a supermodel, which may not look too good on a straight white dude but sure is fun to do.
Some disco sucks, some ska sucks, some punk sucks somecountrysuckssomerapsuckssomejazzsuckssucksucksuckskskskskskss.
Dance or gtfo.
June 24, 2008 at 11:41 am“quasi shitholes like dc”
yes, please “divvy” up your list.
June 24, 2008 at 11:44 amRe-introducing Disco is an exercise in futility because it sucks and most people realize this. Will a crowd of 18-20 years olds dance in cirlces to it and keep careful eyes on how their friends are dancing so they can dance the same way? Yes, but they’ll dance to anything because they’re just happy that they can go somewhere to dance. You could play the scrapey fish and howl like a baboon in heat and they’d dance to it.
What other music styles need to be re-introduced to DC? I’m genuinely curious, or perhaps you mean “re-introduced” to the young bridge and tunnel and Metro demographic I just mentioned above?
And yes, I am an ass and yes, I am opinionated and no, you don’t have to agree.
June 24, 2008 at 11:51 amfitsum: yes this is the same amanda. i wouldn’t call my top disco-friendly. i’d say it’s more 80’s than 70’s.
michael: i know. and unlike amy, i know you and love you and your hats.
deep sang: that wasn’t a reference directly at them, that was me just venting about the overuse of those in today’s music scene.
chris: i’ll probably give it another go, just not at 930. thanks for not being an ass about my not feeling it saturday.
amy v.:michael has a variety of hats. an ass hat is not one of them.
June 24, 2008 at 11:56 ameddie, can I assume that you and michael are of one entity, that or you share a cube @ some soul corroding mundane 9-5 establishment, oh, and not to mention the same pea brain? yes? not that you care, but per your request, here’s a simplified list of why i remain in this area:
1) friends and family reside here.
b) my apparel designing studio is situated here.
3) the summer humidity makes my skin glow.
d) ppl watching in this fugly city
5) ppl watching in this fugly city
Michael - don’t throw yourself in the same boat as those homophobic racists at Comiskey Park in 1979. Like Pedro says, there is sucky music in every genre - claiming that an entire genre sucks is like saying “Oh, I don’t like sci-fi movies”. Which you yourself would reply with “yes, Ice Pirates sucks, but 2001 does not, you’re an idiot”
June 24, 2008 at 12:25 pmwait a filthy effin minute…amanda, are you rimming michael? hot dammit, you are aren’t you??!
June 24, 2008 at 12:29 pmI’ll admit that I wasn’t at this party, but I’ve been lucky to hear Pat Mahoney in other venues and formats and can testify that he is indeed a fantastic DJ. I was skeptical that this stuff would go over well at 930 but it’s awesome to see that people got down to the kind of music you don’t get to hear all too often in mainstream DC venues. Anyways, I’m sure I’ll be sorry I commented here but it never fails that I see disco and its ilk attacked and I feel the ridiculous need to defend it – like disco cares or something.
Michael: You’re making sweeping and definitive statements about a form of music that you clearly have nothing but the most superficial knowledge of which is really irritating. I also get all up in arms whenever I see the familiar “Disco Sucks” refrain given that the whole “Disco Sucks” movement was one that was flagrantly racist, homophobic and misogynistic (though props to the marketing genius that managed to package something so collectively bigoted). I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you weren’t using it with those undertones but you might want to think twice before falling back on such a loaded cliché. Though I doubt you will. As for your dismissal of disco as insignificant – it’s simply not true. Disco was the successor to Motown and soul and later evolved into house and techno and all that came after – you are totally entitled to your opinion on all those genres but to dismiss them as blips or “footnotes” is just ignorant and the kind of knee-jerk judgment you’re criticizing others for making. Clearly your exposure to disco is limited to Saturday Night Fever and KC and the Sunshine Band (pretty much what happens when record execs enter the picture) – there’s so much more to this music that was innovative, gorgeous and of course just downright fun. In short, the BeeGees are to disco, what Kenny G is to jazz – certainly not representative and if you stop there you’re missing out on so much good stuff.
June 24, 2008 at 12:31 pmthe concept of spending your day reading about and posting about shit you don’t even enjoy.
June 24, 2008 at 12:34 pmwho can keep from rimming Michael–it’s so immaculately shaved!
June 24, 2008 at 12:34 pmit really sucks that dumb people hate d.c., too.
June 24, 2008 at 12:39 pmCale, but all Disco does suck. I’ll admit that on occassion it can be fun for the kitch factor, like if someone mixes in a more danceable tune from the era (and by mixing in I still mean playing the whole song, not cutting it all up, which also sucks), but it still sucks and is certainly not deserving of a revival, or even of a focused one-night theme party.
amy - now you’re just being retarded. Stop. Saying Disco sucks means that our souls are corroded and our jobs are mundane? That’s not only retarded, but it’s a ridiculous statement.
June 24, 2008 at 12:41 pmDude what the hell do you actually like? All I ever see you post is shit where you tell people how stupid their events look and remind everybody that you weren’t there, like anybody was checking for you in the first place. All disco music sucks, dj’s shouldn’t ever mix tracks together, blah blah blah. A bunch of generalization and rules. You sound like you have the musical taste of a fucking cop.
June 24, 2008 at 1:01 pmlooks like i hit a soft spot, michael.
i’ll try not to hurt myself w/ a congratulatory pat on my back, i couldn’t anyhow, double jointed. i would’ve mistaken you for some at-home-in-his-underwear-web journalist, but no, you prolly do have a 9-5 that is stale as shitty airline cuisine. well then, my insincerest apologies.
June 24, 2008 at 1:01 pmMaggie - well said!
…except it bothers me when disco snobs (not saying you are one, but you might be, and there are worse things to be) discredit the Bee Gees and KC. Just cause they were popular doesn’t make their contribution subpar. The Bee Gees are like the Led Zeppelin of disco, almost impossible to detach all the cliches and memories and kitsch and familiarity of the music, but if you can, you realize that they’re just as amazing as Cerrone or Voyager or Sylvester or First Choice or Instant Funk or other artists Michael has never heard.
June 24, 2008 at 1:03 pmMaggie - I’ll take your word for it. As I wasn’t around during the hey-day of Disco, I was not a party of any racist, homophobic and misogynistic undertones in the anti-disco music. I just think that musically it sucks. And yes, I’ll freely admit I haven’t heard every single song in the Disco genre, but those I have heard, suck.
Will I sometimes dance to them? Sure. Do I think some of them are danceable? Yes. Does it mean they don’t suck? No.
Saying Disco is the successor to Motown and Soul is kind of a strawman argument. Yeah, sure, it came after, but was it truly a successor? My interpretation of that word would mean that Disco was born directly from Motown and Soul, which I don’t believe to be the case though it did certainly come after.
It’s kind of like saying the White Stripes are the successors to Albinoni.
Disco did influence other forms of dance music such as House and Techno and to certain extents Hip-Hop.
Regardless. You can like it. I just don’t. I’ll be vindicated in a year when it’s back to no one playing it in dance clubs, except ironically, just like it was a couple years ago.
June 24, 2008 at 1:04 pmI was too busy all morning to get around to reading/responding to all this:
the point is - the music was awesome.
that is it.
if you were there, and actually listened, you would understand.
so awesome in fact that not even that oaf that kept dry humping my leg every time he saw me could not ruin it for me.
(p.s. thank you all for rescuing me, again and again and again)
so awesome that the only regret I have about the whole night and this post is that there are no shots of chris doing cartwheels.
and normally I am filled with regrets.
chic.
(game over)
disco rules. I don’t care or catch feelings if other people disagree, because they’re wrong. why not be happy with that conclusion?
and I reiterate my lamentation of the fact that most people who post on here about their dissatisfaction with d.c. sound like complete fucking idiots. it makes it hard for people with legitimate reasons to be sick of this place.
June 24, 2008 at 1:09 pmoh man, you guys fighting among yourselves is SO satisfying to read.
June 24, 2008 at 1:10 pmAmy, no, no soft spots here. I was just telling you your argument was dumb. I mean think about it for a moment: Your argument is that if someone doesn’t like a style of music you enjoy, then that means their job is boring. You seriously wish to pat yourself on the back for that?
Rob - when DC stops doing ironic shit and taking the easy way out with regards to events and puts a bit of effort into things then I’ll likely shut up. And I like a lot of stuff, you just aren’t paying enough attention. Also, the “musical taste of a cop” is kind of a ridiculous statement, too, as if someone’s being a police officer has anything whatsoever to do with their tastes in music.
Anyway, it’s my opinion that Disco sucks. You aren’t going to change it. I know shit tons about music, I’ve got half a piano concerto sketched out with parts for a 70 piece orchestra, I’ve penned two Requiems and I’ve got a libretto being farmed out for an operatic version of Flaubert’s Madame Bovary and I love me some Pulp and Front 242. So saying I know nothing about music is kind of a retarded argument, too.
June 24, 2008 at 1:12 pmamy,
1) i don’t know how you associated me with anyone, as i never agreed with any other comment on this post and i only posted once before this asking you to back up what you were saying. 2) i don’t work in an office, nor did i attack your intellect (yet). c) i don’t think ‘divvy’ means what you think it does, dumbass. try going to this site before you accuse others of having a ‘pea brain’: http://www.dictionary.com
and finally, try not to be such a bitch when you address people you don’t know (unless, of course, they totally deserve it which i’m pretty sure i didn’t since i only asked for your list because you seemed to trash the city i love) and your point might come across more effectively. ok? now go back to lifting weights and don’t forget to trim your balls, maybe someone will wanna give *you* a rimmer, tough one.
p.s. you can people watch in pretty much any city. you should move to philly if you think it’s fugly here.
June 24, 2008 at 1:17 pmAnd before anyone tries to say I didn’t like this night, or I was criticizing the DJs, kindly paysomefucking attention to my very first post:
“amy v. No offense, and I didn’t go, but I heard, but isn’t this kind of disco? Not ready for disco? Really? Because I know it’s kind of trendy and sheeple think it’s funny that it’s being played, but trust me, Disco sucks. It always did suck, it always will suck. It is at best a tiny little footnote in the chronicle of American music. It is one of those things, like when you laughed so hard you peed (in public) that are best forgotten.
Of course if the music wasn’t disco-esque then carry on.”
So I’m not criticizing this night, and I’m sure people had fun. I just said that if it was Disco heavy then I wouldn’t have liked it because (wait for it) Disco (said without a trace of homophobia or racism or misogyny) sucks.
But I’m sure they put on a fantastic night for people who do like it.
June 24, 2008 at 1:19 pmThis is really late in the game here but…
Ice Pirates is a pretty damn decent flick. Its complex examination of the human condition was unique and also it had that space herpes part too
June 24, 2008 at 1:26 pmMichael- While you may indeed be opinionated, you seem more ill-informed than anything to me.
There are certainly those who have little attachment to the music and hop trends to whatever flavor of the month is popping, but there are also those who feel a connection to this music that goes beyond trends and hype. Your analysis seems a bit myopic to me.
As for “re-introduction,” that’s your choice of words, not mine. In many ways, disco never left. From New York, where DJs never stopped playing it, to hip hop DJs who have used the breaks, to musicians and producers who have been influenced by or sampled bits of disco songs, it’s always been there. Even here in DC, DJ Mandrill, a local legend, has never left disco behind and has brought with him a passionate following of music and dance enthusiasts.
Disco is the foundation of all modern dance music and culture, from house to hip hop to many current rock bands. Kinda closed-minded to dismiss it’s relevance if you ask me.
Your caricature of disco and it’s fans has been rehashed since disco’s inception in the early 70s. There will always be those that understand the music and those that don’t. To me, your aversion appears to be rooted as much in a dislike for the music’s fans as it is in the music itself. I would say that this was true of those who championed “disco sucks” in 1979 too.
“Disco sucks,” while simply a reflection of one’s taste in many respects, can rub a lot of people the wrong way due to the racist and homophobic undertones of the original “disco sucks” movement. Although I am sure you have no such feelings yourself, you are drawing from a history of intolerance, knowingly or not.
Anyway, these are just some thoughts, take them or leave them. I could certainly be incorrect about my assessment of you, I am only drawing this from the way your posts sound to me.
Peace,
Deep Sang
yes, the music was awesome. period. def the best blisspop so far.
June 24, 2008 at 1:31 pmDamn, this thread moved fast, everything I said had already been said by the time I posted it!
Cosign on what Cale said… the Bee Gees and KC and the Sunshine Band were great. The 70s can keep Disco Duck and Patrick Hernandez though.
June 24, 2008 at 1:36 pmj, you’re kidding. patrick hernandez? fire. not to mention he was a french dude named “patrick hernandez.”
June 24, 2008 at 1:43 pmDeep Sang - thanks for being able to reply to a post about something you’re passionate about without name-calling, trying to say someone must be rimming someone else, saying someone’s job sucks, or insulting millions of public servants by implying that their tastes in music must suck because of the job they do.
As far as the homophibia, etc, about the Disco Sucks movement, sorry, I was a wee tot so I know nothing about it. I expect most of you were either 1: not born or 2: wee tots yourself, so no one on this site who is offended by the Disco Sucks movement never had anyone bash them in 1979 or call them names, or etc, etc, ad infinitum (if I am incorrect, and there are club goers from 1974 reading this site then feel free to correct me).
I don’t know Chris B or the other DJ. I know Will E. Will E I consider to be my friend. He and I have had many many many late night until 6 or 7 am discussions about music and tastes. He claims I’m stuck back in a bygone era, I say he’s just become a trendy douche ;). Point is he and I can have these discussions because our tastes differ in certain regards, and still be friends and not feel attacked. It’s funny but on this site if you claim something sucks (like Disco) then suddenly everyone who likes it feels that you are saying that THEY suck. That’s just absurd. But it happens a lot. Thank you again, for not going that route.
And yes, I know Disco has always been around. By “re-introduction” I meant to the mainstream-ish (yes, this site is mainstream) dance club goer in an effort to bring it back and have more nights focused on it. Sorry, but it is my sincere opinion that it’s a passing fad and there won’t be any Disco-centric dance nights at 9:30 in a year. Feel free to contact me in 12 months if I’m wrong. I rarely am. I still need to collect from people who made bets with me about the Darkness.
I will disagree that Disco is the foundation of all modern dance music and culture because I don’t see it and I don’t hear it and, as I said before, I know a lot about music, especially the hearing part. I will also disagree that I’m drawing from a history of intolerance, knowingly or not. I’m simply drawing from the fact that my ear doesn’t like Disco music, not from anyone in 1979 not liking Disco because they viewed it as a bunch of homosexuals spreading the Devil.
June 24, 2008 at 1:45 pmBorn to Be Alive = not fire.
I will cop to speaking specifically about this song and not any other ;)
Who is db by the way?
June 24, 2008 at 1:46 pmHa! I was just working on some DJ stuff last night for this Sat @ Redeem (shameless plug) and dropped Born To Be Alive in. But only for the kitsch. Disco Duck though? Never.
June 24, 2008 at 1:51 pmAlso Pedro, thank you for saying I looked cute in my hat.
June 24, 2008 at 1:51 pmdecibelle
June 24, 2008 at 1:53 pmwhatever. disco duck kicked ass. donald just wanted to have some fun and he busted out some serious tracks doing just that. wait… oh man… do you think he might have been gay?
June 24, 2008 at 2:05 pmYou all lost me at asshat. Are you guys really arguing about disco and whose job is less boring and stale? Really?
June 24, 2008 at 2:12 pmJeff, some are. For my part I’m reading everything that the Disco defenders say and trying to see where they’re coming from.
I guess I could sum it up by paraphrasing Deep Sang:
“I could certainly be incorrect about my assessment of “DISCO” I am only drawing this from the way “DISCO” sounds to me.”
June 24, 2008 at 2:25 pmAt least people aren’t still bashing me over the Pat Mahoney interview, which, BTW, he apologized for unprompted and explained he was having a very bad day.
June 24, 2008 at 2:31 pmAll things aside, Pat was a real gentlemen and a nice all-round guy. That’s awesome he came correct on the interview…
June 24, 2008 at 2:36 pmI like to moveitmoveit, I like to moveitmoveit, I like to moveitomoveit, you like to– move it?
June 24, 2008 at 2:37 pmcale, i thought you did a fine job and it was obvious he wasn’t having a good day. he even said he was beat and told why. don’t sweat the haters and don’t change your interview style. and i am not trying to get you naked as far as you know.
June 24, 2008 at 2:46 pmwow. i’ve missed quite a bit in the last few hours.
amy: yes, i’m defending michael. like pedro said, he’s immaculately shaved. and you obviously didn’t read any of his posts about work. and eddie and michael don’t work together, and i don’t work with either of them.
to everyone who likes disco: if disco is so damn hot then i expect to hear dancing queen more often. yes i read the post a few days ago, and yes i know that song was on that list. and yes i love that song, and abba, BUT that does not mean that i like disco, it means that my dad was a DJ in the 70’s and has way too many disco records (first editions, i should pawn that shit) and exposed me to abba at a very impressionable age and i now forever love them, and elvis (he has two copies of all of his records, one for playing and one for looking at), and johnny cash (though the later aren’t disco, i know)
fitsum/michael: i do however like looking like a disco ball.
i’m glad pat apologized for that interview, but part of being famous faking a smile?
June 24, 2008 at 3:06 pmtoo late - pants are off.
June 24, 2008 at 3:06 pmActually, a strawman argument is an argument that either takes the argument of one’s opponent and twists it into an argument that one wishes one’s opponent were making (because it is an easier argument to defeat) or simply manufactures an argument that no real opponent is making.
It is called a “strawman” in the sense that a strawman is not a real man, just as the argument is not actually being made by one’s opponent.
In light of the fact that Maggie did not argue that Disco was the successor to Motown simply because it came after it, one could argue that Michael has employed a strawman argument when he frames her statement that way. In fact, she did not set forth any sort of argument at all as to why Disco is the successor to Motown. She merely states that it was in the form of an opinion.
June 24, 2008 at 3:17 pmAmanda, if you or your dad wants to sell those records hit me up. I’m serious.
djdeepsang(at)gmail.com
June 24, 2008 at 3:19 pmpants suck.
June 24, 2008 at 3:26 pmhit me up as well if he wants to sell the joints:
chris@brightestyoungthings.com
“Disco” is Whitey The Marketeer’s made-up term for the thing thing that’s actually called “Uptempo R&B”.
June 24, 2008 at 3:32 pmIronic, actually she stated it in the form of a fact, not of an opinion.
June 24, 2008 at 3:37 pmAnd “R&B” was Whitey’s (actually Jerry Wexler’s) replacement term for “race records.”
June 24, 2008 at 3:40 pmwell snobbery would be antithetical to the spirit of my beloved disco, so I’d like to think I’m not that – I cited KC and the BeeGees as two bands I find particularly grating and soulless so I could see why others would too, leading to an unfair representation. But granted, there’s a lot of stereotypical disco that I encourage doubters to listen to with open ears – bring on the O’Jays, Donna Summer and Hot Chocolate. But moreover, my point was that if you don’t like this stuff, it’s really just the sugary candy shell around what is the gooey, hot-ass, sexy, diverse (er, losing my kind of weak metaphor here) world of disco.
And I use “successor” very confidently and deliberately (though I should have thrown funk in there too). Of course trying to create a linear history of any kind of music is inherently problematic, but still, I stand by it. But there are way more knowledgeable dudes who have written tomes about this stuff, so I’ll leave it to them. I’m sure if one googles “philly soul” and “disco” you’ll scratch the surface. Not that you should, or have to, if you just want to dance to the stuff which is what we all should be doing anyways.
June 24, 2008 at 3:48 pmJust to add a little something to this argument:
“Disco Sucks” was a purely American mainstream rock phenomenon.
June 24, 2008 at 3:52 pmI meant that she simply stated that it was a successor (whether in the form of a fact, opinion, or statement), and not in the context of an argument.
She never argued that it was a successor because it followed after Motown or for any other reason.
Also, everyone knows that cops dig disco way more than the rest of the population.
June 24, 2008 at 3:57 pmJesus Christ.
June 24, 2008 at 4:07 pmamy,
don’t you have an office job? aren’t you a marketing person for some corporation? don’t you just design things on the side? (maybe this was just a rumor) which is great! we all need to make money! sometimes we can’t afford to only do what interests us creatively. as long as you have your own interests and hobbies outside of work it shouldn’t matter. for those of you who are able to make a living creatively, more power to you!
p.s. i stopped reading this shit halfway, but dancing is fun. you should dance to whatever makes your butt shake. what makes dc shitty is the people who are too caught up in other people’s lives. why do you care sooo much about what those other people are doing? do your own shit. love your own shit. be nice to people. stop whining. jesus. dance on! and don’t complain about dj’s playing shitty music. they are doing their thing, something they love. and don’t complain about other people being shitty for not liking it. and why don’t people just fucking talk to eachother anymore? stop assuming things about people and start talking to them, maybe they are a kickass person!
June 24, 2008 at 4:33 pmyes, clown?
June 24, 2008 at 4:34 pm“E Diddly Oh,
Jockin I’m back on the scene
with my wrecking machine
sayin oh poppa do
how ya all do
I’m Mr. Wiggles
and these are my latest giggles
and squirm”
Without R&B there is no Funk,
Without Funk there is no disco
without disco there is no punk
Without disco there is no hip-hop, no new wave
no top 40 dance, no dance punk, no modern nu wave
no hipsters and just a bunch of assholes.
Release.
We used to dance.
I’m Mr, Wiggles “THE WORM”
forgot to finish that line. sorry.
Send all hate mail to Chris Burns, please.
Michael’s dislike of disco is pretty amusing to me, since I’ve seen him shake his ass to the likes of Erasure and the Pet Shop Boys for years now. It’s all dance music, isn’t it?
June 24, 2008 at 7:15 pmErasure and PSB aren’t disco. damnit.
June 24, 2008 at 7:28 pm…holy mother of all fucking grails. cale actually interupted me–break away from my nephew’s 2nd birthday party w/ a traveling circus, ponies, elephants, cotton candy machine, shit and all…for this??
hey anon…call for correction! i am an apparel designer full-time. i have my own clothing line that is housed nationwide at 3 major anchor dept stores, doing fairly well might i add, so much that i quit my blood sucking corporate job as not a stupid marketer, but a business developer in renewable energy and hydrology you fucktard.
now, i will resume will eating this cotton candy. so much for this damn liquid diet.
oh, and…
xoxo.
June 24, 2008 at 7:30 pmdisco does not dance and vice versa.
June 24, 2008 at 9:28 pmi thought the night was pretty good and nicely attended. i got there for eastman’s set who was mainly just playing crowd pleasers and keeping people moving despite some questionable mixing ;) i thought mahoney was slow to get going, not the biggest disco fan although it was nice to hear something other than justice style elctro for a change. the last half hour or so i felt he was playing more abstract stuff ( it also could have been the drink) and i enjoyed it a lot more, until the staff yelled at me to finish my drink at 2:50 am…this sort of thing more than anything is what keeps dc down. great job on the booking, nice party and keep them coming!
June 24, 2008 at 9:39 pmhad a great time.
chris, will + pat killed it, as did dakota + fitsum. nicely done, all.
June 24, 2008 at 10:15 pmd
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June 24, 2008 at 10:29 pmIs it just me or is Svetlana amazingly hot 24/7? Kudos.
June 24, 2008 at 11:34 pmIt’s not just you, that dress was spectacular
June 24, 2008 at 11:56 pmI’m just wondering how many comments we were able to eek out of this posting. Anyone bother to count?
Comments are content. Cheers (oh, but Disco still sucks).
June 25, 2008 at 12:25 ami’d dry hump her leg any (every) night.
June 25, 2008 at 12:27 ami’m changing my name to svetlana and wearing that dress the next time i go out.
this was comment #354
June 25, 2008 at 1:22 am#85
(yes, i counted)
June 25, 2008 at 8:22 amjesus christ, DC must only suck if you run in this tittybaby circle. what kind of shit are you all on?
“you’re rimming michael, aren’t you?”
nice to take it down a notch (further) to a fake high school reality TV level. maybe if y’all want to have your conversations and music take more seriously, you could post it in a less superficial way on a less superficial forum?
(not that i think everyone who went to this is part of a big clique, but i’m talking about those BYT-inclined several posters.)
June 25, 2008 at 12:33 pm…uh …what?
June 25, 2008 at 12:36 pmi agree for the most part, keith, but you can’t walk into a conversation with an asshole and a non-asshole and call them both assholes just because they happen to be talking to each other.
or whatever or something or nothing. you know what i mean. byt doesn’t *not* allow jackasses to comment. which is lucky for me, i guess.
June 25, 2008 at 12:41 pmyes, i’m being a jackass, but i really couldn’t continue reading after i caught that “rimming michael” comment, so this is directed toward amy. it’s a pity, too, because i was considering coming out saturday night to party. i recently moved from pittsburgh and pretty soon will be moving abroad, but this (and a couple other things) pretty much soured me on the whole deal.
June 25, 2008 at 12:57 pmcale–yes?
June 25, 2008 at 12:57 pmALSO that’s not the only reason i won’t attend any byt events this summer (abysmal music discourse, see Girl Talk review, is one, and also i’ll be out of town this weekend). but i want to let you all know i’m not just trolling–somebody i met bragged to me about “featured on the front of byt” via a picture of her making out. woopdie doooo.
June 25, 2008 at 1:05 pmdid i say something wrong? did you actually read what i said? didn’t I say “that’s great”? I was actually just making a point that everyone at some point or another needs to make money, whether it is to jumpstart their design career or something else. you didn’t have to call me a fucktard? sheesh.
June 25, 2008 at 1:15 pmWhat is a BYT event? Is Blisspop really a BYT event? I’m not sure if I’ve ever been to a BYT event other than that one where I was tricked into showing up at a hotel then suddenly had five snatches rubbing on me saying “You’re so brilliant, please give our site legitimacy by writing for us.”
Little did they know I’d say most of the music stuff sucks. The other stuff, movies, etc, I like. Music, however, has really taken a downturn lately and much of it is shit. The electronic resurgence is asshole and no where near as good as the industrial electronica of the 1990s but of course no one goes to places where they can hear stuff that makes Justice sound like the scrapey fish being raped by a porcupine because, dear god, the people there wear all black, so I guess what I’m saying is that BYT isn’t wholly at fault for promoting shitty music events because shitty music events are about all that is happening now. I am glad to see the new Jazz section and I can’t reiterate how brilliant Svet is about the free movies.
Now if they’d just buy me some opera tickets we could start having serious reviews.
Maybe one night I’ll drag Cale out to one of the Industrial nights around town as long as he promises not to wear anything hypercolor.
I’m also pretty sure the core demographic for this site is 19-20 year old girls looking for dance parties at clubs they’ll actually be allowed into. I could be wrong.
June 25, 2008 at 1:24 pmi guess i’m wrong, as BYT sort of is a conduit/calendar for events in the area, so directing my vitriol here is null and void. i also realize your last point, michael. before i left pittsburgh i’d started a tiny record label and considered crafting a website that would perform a similar function to this one. of course, we don’t have any numbers behind the demographics that the site/venture would need, whichever criteria they are, because the city’s impossibly tiny and relatively divided up musically, socially and by age. so kudos for filling a niche and i aplogize for going off, but i couldn’t handle the attitude happening here.
i also don’t think the music reviews need to be serious enough to review opera, but that a girl talk review should accept that girl talk is a bunch of rap songs over a bunch of indie rock and soft rock songs and sounds/is nothing like/doesn’t even have much kraftwerk (contrary to the review).
back to the first point though, makeout told me/invited me to a “BYT party” saturday night, and that’s where the confusion was born.
June 25, 2008 at 2:41 pmWell keith, maybe there are a ton of BYT parties going on. I guess my invitations get lost in the mail.
As far as the opera reviews, there’s nothing about opera that has to be quote unquote serious and I’m kind of sorry I used that word. I like the reviews of stuff here, even if I don’t like what’s being reviewed. There are some good writers (not that Lord Jason character though). I thought Cale’s review with that Dan or Pat dude or whatever was funny but the responses were boring (an explanation came later that kind of explained why, but if you’re too tired to do a review, take a raincheck rather than come off boring).
I also know there are a quorum of readers/participants on BYT who go apeshit for opera. Opera: it’s what makes panties drop.
June 25, 2008 at 3:05 pm1) Blisspop has been an officially BYT sponosored event since day 1, but the primary force behind it is Will Eastman. Calling it a “BYT party” is fair though.
2) The new Girl Talk album samples Kraftwerk’s song ‘Numbers’ on track 9 (Hands in the Air), samples ‘Trans-Europe Express’ indirectly via Afrika Bambaataa’s ‘Planet Rock’ in the same track and samples Kraftwerk’s ‘Tour de France’ on track 10 (In Step). Ahem.
3) Seriously… what?
June 25, 2008 at 3:12 pmI highly anticipated the Tour de France soundtrack and was just as highly disappointed.
June 25, 2008 at 3:19 pmOnce again, cale interrupts my day to day happenings…tuning in from my blackberry.
Anon - i’m terribly sorry. You are not a “fucktard”. But through the grapetree, you claimed to have known my life story, however you did follow-up w/ “…maybe this was just a rumor”. That’s all. So I felt it warranted a defense response, which comes out often in a form of cursing tourettes. It was harsh. Sorry.
June 25, 2008 at 3:24 pmFor the record: I have never resorted to rubbing my snatch onto anyone for the sake of getting them to write for us.
Also for the record: at this point 40 000+ individuals read BYT multiple times every month. Some of them just really, really, REALLY like to comment. And some of them don’t. That does not mean they are not out there.
June 25, 2008 at 3:39 pmYou had me at “rubbing my snatch”
June 25, 2008 at 3:42 pmActually Amy I wanted you to read Crazy McMakesNoSense’s comments, not Anon’s.
June 25, 2008 at 3:45 pmSvetlana - I didn’t say it was your snatch. I just said five snatches. I’m pretty sure one of them was Cale’s.
June 25, 2008 at 3:50 pmcareful, we don’t want to offend Keith again with our potty talk!
ps. it was my snatch.
June 25, 2008 at 3:55 pmkeith – “nice to take it down a notch (further) to a fake high school reality TV level. maybe if y’all want to have your conversations and music take more seriously, you could post it in a less superficial way on a less superficial forum?”
nevermind the word “rimming”…but who says “ya’ll”?
you from way down yonder???
p.s…i feel my cursing tourettes lurking around the corner.
June 25, 2008 at 4:01 pmhey Cale, it’s not the potty talk that gets me, but the catty ad hominem attacks on people for holding the same viewpoint. it seems like michael and eddie can understand what i’m saying. maybe you should spend less time rimming yourself and take a look around–i mentioned this little comment argument to a DC friend and she agrees with me re: the review. she had more to say, but there’s no need to air that publicly. there are kraftwerk samples, sure (thanks for taking a look at wikipedia for me), but it sounds nothing “like” kraftwerk, as your words would imply.
anyway, you’re infamous. don’t brush it off by scapegoating me.
June 25, 2008 at 4:14 pmsays “ya’ll”
Still wants to know how someone’s dislike of a genre of music translates directly into they type of work they do though.
keith - eddie and I are mad smart and pay attention to what is said, rather than what we imagine people are implying.
Well, I’m mad smart. eddie still owes me two drinks so I don’t want to offend him as I still wish to collect.
June 25, 2008 at 4:21 pmDude. What are you talking about? Why would I insinuate that Girl Talk sounds like Kraftwerk? I was naming some of the samples Gregg used. Obvi.
I’m not sure this comment argument was as serious as you thought it was…
brush what off? scapegoating you? are you high? I’m not putting you down, I’m really asking honestly if you are stoned right now because I honest to God have no clue what in the world you are talking about. Maybe the apparent voices of kindness and reason Micheal and Eddie can ’splain!
June 25, 2008 at 4:26 pmGirl Talk sucks.
Cale - I’m not kind. Reasoned? Yes. However I’m not following this conversation past the point of seeing something I can make a stupid comment about because I’m just sitting here wasting time until a fucking happy hour opens (x100000 cross-thread points).
However keith is making the same point I made earlier (I just read it because I got really really bored between the last paragraph and just now): saying something sucks doesn’t mean that the person themself sucks. amy v started right in on the attacks on people themselves, not their likes or dislikes, and went so far as to delve into utter nonsense about how someone’s tastes means they work at a certain job, or someone explaining something means they’re ass tonguing someone else, and, well, you’ve followed the thread. I mean it was just dumb.
keith, that about right?
June 25, 2008 at 4:31 pmman these posts are fast as lightning! in fact it is a little bit frightening imo. good thing i have expert timing.
June 25, 2008 at 4:32 pm“Masterfully melding Kraftwerk, New Order, Faith No More, Pete Townsend, Beastie Boys, Ace of Base, Bowie, Radiohead, Daft Punk with lot’s of rap I don’t know.”
that reads like a list of influences or a RIYL. it’s a semantic argument, forget it. by scapegoating i mean that every time i say something about this site, you respond with a triumphant “what are you talking about crazy mchahaha,” deflecting what i’m saying back to me and not hearing it. michael has it spot on and i’m wasting time (mine, yours) with an internet argument. take care dudes.
June 25, 2008 at 4:45 pmBut… no… he’s talking about not attending events because he thinks I wrote that Girl Talk sounds like Kraftwerk or something and tittybabies and rambling about some record label and moving abroad and it’s just so disjointed and odd.
And it’s like, is this the first internet comment/bulletin board he’s ever read? Like we’ve broken new web 2.0 ground here by resorting to name calling on the internet? Alert the presses!














































































the only good thing about saturday night was The Dance Party.
is it strange that i prefer music that incorporates instruments, you know, a guitar, a bass, maybe a melody?
i missed wallpaper’s set, but when he came out after TDP, there was nothing brilliant about it.
i left after about twenty minutes into chris burns’ set and came back about twenty minutes into pat’s. just because people can make “cool” sounds with their moogs and macbooks doesn’t make it music.
dakota, fitsum: great shots.
cale: nice shirt. i especially liked the smiley face.
June 24, 2008 at 7:38 am